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What Is Under Your Flat Roof, and How to Tell If the Deck Has Gone

The covering is the part everybody talks about and the least interesting layer on the roof. What decides how the next one behaves is the timber underneath it, and a surprising amount of that can be read without leaving the ground.

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The short version
  • A flat roof is joists, often firring pieces, a board deck and a covering — each layer depending entirely on the one below it
  • Moisture-resistant OSB or a suitable plywood belongs on a roof deck; ordinary chipboard never recovers once it has been wet
  • Timber fails first at the joist ends, where they sit in the wall with no air around them and the perimeter details above them
  • The fascia, the soffit and the line of the trim sighted from the garden report on the timber behind them

A Flat Roof Is Four Things Stacked Up

From the room below you see a ceiling, and from the garden you see a dark surface with a trim around it. Between those two there is a short stack of parts, and once you know what they are most of what a roofer tells you stops being mysterious. From the bottom up: joists, usually firring pieces along the top of them, a deck of boards fixed across the lot, and the covering. Insulation sits either between the joists or on top of the deck.

The joists carry the load. They are ordinary timbers spanning the shorter way across the room, bearing on the house wall at one end and on a wall plate or beam at the other. The deck spreads weight across them and gives the covering a continuous surface to bond to. The covering keeps water out. Each of those depends on the one beneath it, which is why a new membrane over tired timber is a waste of a good membrane.

Firrings are the part nobody mentions. They are tapered strips laid along each joist, deep at one end and shallow at the other, and they are what turns a level structure into a roof that drains. Where a roof has none, the fall has to come from sloping the joists themselves, or from tapered insulation over the deck, or — more often than anybody would like — from nowhere at all.

Water-blackened timber and a hole straight through a failed flat roof deck

Photograph of our own work.

Deck Boards: What Belongs Up There and What Does Not

The board is a bigger decision than it sounds. Ordinary practice on new domestic work is moisture-resistant OSB at eighteen millimetres, with its edges properly supported, fixed with screws so it cannot work loose, and laid with a small gap at each joint so the boards can take up moisture without arching against each other. A suitable grade of plywood does the same job. Either is a sensible thing to see named on a quotation.

Standard chipboard is not. It went down on a great many garages and outbuildings because it was cheap and flat, and it does exactly what a board made of pressed particles and glue does when water reaches it: swells, crumbles along the edges, and loses its strength for good. It does not come back when it dries out. A chipboard deck that has been soaked is no longer a deck, it is a shape.

Support and fixing are half of it. Boards that are unsupported along a joint flex under every footstep and open a ridge at the seam, and the covering bridging that ridge is worked back and forth until something in it gives. Timber noggins between the joists under the board edges deal with that, they add almost nothing to the work while the roof is open, and they cannot be added later without taking it apart again.

Joist Ends, and Why Timber Goes Where You Cannot See It

Wood rots where it is wet and cannot dry, and nowhere on a flat roof fits that description better than the end of a joist buried in a wall. It sits in a pocket with masonry around it, it gets no moving air, and it happens to be directly under the perimeter of the roof, which is where water getting past a trim or an upstand arrives. The middle of that same joist, out in the open, can be perfectly sound while its end has gone to fibre.

That sequence is behind most of the serious flat roof jobs there are. A detail lets go at the edge. The water runs down inside the wall or along the top of the wall plate instead of dripping into the room, so nothing shows on the ceiling for a long time. The bearings take it, quietly, through every wet season, and the first anybody knows is when the deck comes off and a joist end can be lifted out of the brickwork by hand.

Where the damage is local the repair is routine. The end is cut back to timber that is sound and dry, a new length is fixed alongside the old one so the load carries past the damaged part, and the bearing is rebuilt with a damp-proof separator between timber and masonry so the replacement fares better than the original. Where several bearings or the wall plate itself have gone, the job changes shape, and that is a conversation to have before anything is ordered.

Reading the Ceiling, the Soffit and the Wall Head

Looked at for shape rather than for stains, a ceiling tells you about structure. Sight along it from a corner instead of standing under the middle of it. A shadow line running across it, a crack that follows one particular board joint, a straight row of fixing heads that have pushed through the skim, or a surface that reads as slightly dished all say the timber above has moved. Cracks running the same way as the joists mean more than random ones.

A garage or outbuilding is far more generous, because the underside is usually open. Standing on the floor with a torch you can see the joists, the underside of the boards and the line where timber meets wall. Dark runs down the side of a joist, boards gone brown and swollen along a seam, white fibrous growth or a brown crust on the timber, a musty smell, or daylight at the wall head are all worth photographing, and none of them ask you to leave the floor.

Outside, the fascia and soffit are the nearest thing to an inspection hatch that a flat roof has. The fascia is fixed to the joist ends, so whatever the timber does, it does too. A fascia bowed outwards between its fixings, a soffit that has dropped away from the wall, plastic capping that has gone springy at one end, or a gutter that has developed a sag in the middle of a straight run are all reporting on what is behind them. Brackets screwed into soft timber do not hold.

Sighting the Roof From the Garden

The most useful thing you can do from the ground is close one eye and sight along the edge of the roof from one end, the way you would check a length of timber for straightness. The trim line should be straight, and the fascia under it should be straight too. A dip in the middle of a run means the joists have deflected. A bulge upwards is rarer and more interesting, because something below has swollen. A line that steps suggests a board or a bearing that has dropped.

Then look at the surface itself from an upstairs window, or from a neighbour’s where your own windows face the wrong way. You are after the shape of the roof rather than the state of the covering. A hollow that fills in the same place after every shower is sitting over something, and where it is tells you which part of the structure to be suspicious of. A phone taped to a pole and set recording video will get you over the edge without anyone leaving the lawn.

It needs saying plainly: do not climb up to test it by walking on it. The boards that have softened are under a covering that looks identical to the covering everywhere else, and a flat roof gives no warning at all before it stops holding you up. Every check described here works from a window, from the floor of a garage, or from the garden with a camera on a stick.

A new OSB deck laid and screwed down, ready for the membrane

Photograph of our own work.

What Happens Once the Covering Is Off

Until that point everybody is working from evidence rather than fact, and that includes us. A deck is hidden by design and no amount of looking at the surface substitutes for seeing the timber. What a stripped roof gives you is the whole picture in about an hour: every joist, every bearing, the wall plate, and whatever somebody did last time, all visible at once and all of it photographable before the new deck covers it again.

What comes off is usually more than the covering. Old felt, a soaked deck, wet insulation from between the joists on a cold deck build-up and a remarkable quantity of grit add up to a heavy load, and timber that has been wet for long comes away in pieces rather than boards. All of it has to go somewhere, which is why disposal belongs on a quotation as a line rather than as an assumption.

Then the decisions get made in daylight: which bearings are cut back and doubled up, whether the firrings are re-cut to correct a fall that never worked, and whether the insulation goes above the deck this time. All three are ordinary outcomes rather than disasters, and all three are far easier to settle on paper than on a Tuesday with the roof open. The rubber roofing page sets out the full build-up, flat roof repairs covers the smaller end, and if you have photographs from a window, send them over.

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FAQs

Common Questions

How thick should the boards on a flat roof be?
On domestic work the common answer is eighteen millimetres of moisture-resistant OSB, or a plywood of a grade suitable for roofing. Thickness on its own is not the whole answer though — the board has to be supported along its edges, screwed rather than nailed, and laid with a small gap at the joints so it can move with moisture without lifting the covering above it.
My garage roof feels soft when someone walks on it. What does that mean?
It means the board has lost strength, usually because water has been reaching it for some time, and on older garages it often means chipboard that has swollen and broken down. Nobody should be testing it that way in any case. If the underside of the deck is open to view from inside the garage, a torch from the floor will tell you far more and cost nobody a fall.
Can rotten joist ends be repaired, or does the whole roof come off?
The covering and deck have to come off to reach them, but the joists themselves are usually repairable. The damaged end is cut back to sound timber and a new length fixed alongside so the load bypasses the bad section, with a damp-proof separator where the timber sits in the wall. Where the wall plate or several bearings have failed, the scope is larger and needs agreeing first.
Why does the fascia matter if the problem is on the roof?
Because the fascia is screwed to the ends of the joists, so it moves when they do. A fascia that has bowed, dropped at one end, or that no longer holds gutter brackets tightly is telling you about the timber behind it, not about itself. It is also one of the few parts of the structure you can examine properly from the ground with nothing more than your eyes.
Is there any way to check the deck without stripping the roof?
Partly. The underside can be seen directly in a garage or through a hatch into the void, the shape can be sighted along from the garden, and a small opening can be made in one place to look and then made good. What none of those give you is the condition of every bearing and every board, which is why a strip is the only survey that actually settles it.
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